Posts by Mad Sweeney

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Daniel Rodriguez's The Watchtower's Coming Crisis

by dgp in

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i'm reading "the watchtower's coming crisis", by daniel rodriguez.

rodriguez claims the watchtower will have a severe crisis in the years to come, as "the generation that wouldn't pass away" does pass away.

time is the wts worst enemy, he says.

Mad Sweeney

"Its not the running out of anointed that might break the WT but the fact that so many will be claiming that status. It'll make everyone chiefs so that nobody will be. The increase in partakers is waht scares the WT more than anything as it directly erodes their exclusivity and control.

I'm in discussion right now with a Witness who is having serious doubts about refusing the bread and wine this year. He can see that scripturally the Society's 2 classes of christians teaching is flawed and feels the need to "keep doing this..." in obedience to Jesus.

If the partaker numbers start to snowball, then I believe we might see some serious damage to the top dogs in Brooklyn and more absurd scriptural gymnastics in an effort to protect their power."

They've already laid the foundation for dealing with this problem. The "anointed" are the "FDS" in name only. Only the GB and those they designate are qualified to teach the congregations. Elders of the "great crowd" outrank any anointed in their midst because they are part of the official channel which is as follows: Jehovah to Jesus to GB to traveling overseers to Elders. No one else has any authority in the org at all, whether anointed or not. This is from one of the spring 2009 WTs. Studied it sometime in June or July, IIRC.

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Watchtower 2080 "New thought on the Generation"

by dozy in

watchtower study article jun 15th 2080 (direct retina scanned edition).

14...the watchtower of nov 15th 2037 brought out the increased light that the 144,000 of revelation should not be understood as a figurative number , but that the heavenly hope is open to all who wish to partake.

we rejoice that the number who profess such a hope has risen to over one million now , together with the over 35 million of the great crowd class.

Mad Sweeney

Awesomely hilarious, Jeff.

Not to nitpick but that first sentence isn't a "?" is it?

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Watchtower 2080 "New thought on the Generation"

by dozy in

watchtower study article jun 15th 2080 (direct retina scanned edition).

14...the watchtower of nov 15th 2037 brought out the increased light that the 144,000 of revelation should not be understood as a figurative number , but that the heavenly hope is open to all who wish to partake.

we rejoice that the number who profess such a hope has risen to over one million now , together with the over 35 million of the great crowd class.

Mad Sweeney

"Also, I truly believe WTS peaked at 7 million and are simply manipulating data (not lying yet, just manipulating) to get artificial growth. "

I hope that's true but I'll be happy if the peak is around 10M. As long as it peaks within the next decade I'll be satisfied. 35M in 2080 makes me ill to contemplate.

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JW Science Quote (1-22)

by TD in

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this week's installment in the science quotes of "celebrated jw scholars" concerns one of their perennial claims.

based on a literal reading of genesis 1:30, jehovah's witnesses believe and teach that all animals were orginally designed to be vegetarians and that the restoration prophecies of isaiah foretell a return to this state.

this has been stated many times in jw literature:.. .

Mad Sweeney

Great info. For the ridiculous WT assertion that all animals used to be herbivores to be true, they would have to have evolved to their current state quickly after the fall of Adam and Eve. The WTS is pro-evolution, LOL. Who'd 'a thunk it?

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Watchtower 2080 "New thought on the Generation"

by dozy in

watchtower study article jun 15th 2080 (direct retina scanned edition).

14...the watchtower of nov 15th 2037 brought out the increased light that the 144,000 of revelation should not be understood as a figurative number , but that the heavenly hope is open to all who wish to partake.

we rejoice that the number who profess such a hope has risen to over one million now , together with the over 35 million of the great crowd class.

Mad Sweeney

The numbers in that article are scary. 35 million JWs plus a million anointed?!?

If this cult gets that big I'll lose all my faith in humanity.

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Has anyone seen the 4/15/2010 Watchtower with their own eyes?

by HappyGuy in

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i haven't followed the generation change in the doctrine that closely, just read a few snippets of the overlapping generations doctrine.

i find this hard to believe even for the pathological liars the governing body.. has anyone seen the 4/15/2010 watchtower with their own eyes?.

can anyone validate that the wtbts really is saying this overlapping generation idea the way it is being quoted on the internet in a few places?

Mad Sweeney

It seems to me, that the use of the word "primary" channel would indicate secondary or tertiary channels as well. If that seems to ring true for anyone else, what would these channels be, and has the WTS ever recognized them as such??

Don't get your hopes up. The secondary channel is through non-anointed elders at meetings and assemblies (whom they so lovingly told us last year outrank even the anointed).

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Mill Hill Disfellowshippings

by BorgHater in

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a few months ago there was a thread about a couple of elders at the mill hill bethel being disfellowshipped because they disagreed with some wt doctrine (i can't recall exactly what it was) and that several other betheliteswere under 'investigation'.

i haven't heard anything since, does anyone know anything more about this?.

borghater xx.

Mad Sweeney

Le Chat, isn't Paul Gillies the guy who goes to all the UN and other governmental and non-governmental European functions?

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What is the WT Good News? Please Proclaim It With Me

by Perry in

wt 11/1/1995 says:.

"this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

" (matthew 24:14) no human can say when that end will be, but we know that the end of "this generation" of wicked people will come once the witness has been given to gods satisfaction "to the most distant part of the earth.

Mad Sweeney

Here is your more typical JW response to all that:

"Woah, that is too deep for me. I don't worry about all that kind of stuff."

The real JW answer is that our sins aren't forgiven at all yet, and won't be until God desides not to destroy us at Armageddon. Until that time we have to work our asses off to earn, ...er, show Christ, ...er, Jehovah that we appreciate the ransom.

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In this issue: "Sharers in the Divine Nature--How?" and "A New Name"

by sd-7 in

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http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/187412/1/im-re-naming-myself-as-the-new-kool-aid-man-also-in-this-issue-obeying-the-faithful-slave-and-the-mighty-god.

previously, this journal has stated that the 'faithful and discreet slave' class, foretold by jesus in matthew 24:45-47 as providing 'food at the proper time' for god's household, shares in jesus' divine nature and could therefore be aptly referred to as the 'mighty god'.

some have expressed concern that jehovah's organization is too focused on men and not focused enough on jehovah god.

Mad Sweeney

Pastor-Judge, can we just call you PJ?

I love how you managed to include multiple references to Matthew 24:45-47 throughout the article. It wouldn't be trooth without it.

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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower

by Ultimate Reality in

from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .

article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.

13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.

Mad Sweeney

She is denying that it's even in the WT because it came from the Internet?

I'm not surprised. Most of the rank and file aren't even the least bit up to date about their own religion and it's web presence, despite dozens of Service Meeting announcements and some Question Box stuff about it. It's because they don't actually listen and learn at meetings, they simply get indoctrinated.